That is not what I was saying, I was just saying the comparison to Von Braun is nowhere near 1:1 with Musk. Musk has far more power and influence and he has made a number of deliberate choices, particularly in the past 10 years with what to do with it, I think it's fair to be critical of that.

I don't know about a lot of other aerospace CEOs who own a media company and use it to talk about Great Replacement theory. Does that make him worse than a Nazi? Depends which Nazi, but no probably not yet at least.

Weirdo was me being nice. When you actually look through the statements he makes on his Twitter feed (which he had the developers add a function where it forces his tweets to everyone's For You pages, author_is_elon) he's actually a bigoted piece of shit. Oh and he plays himself as a pro gamer but has been caught paying people to level him up while he takes credit. The man has tissue paper skin, he spent $44B because people called him names.

So yeah we can stop using weird as a derogatory but most folks aren't going to like what those replacements are.

I do agree with you for the most part except Musk has a couple big strikes against him that those other men did not, while Von Braun may have been a Nazi member when he got the US he basically had to discard that and then he was just a scientist, he did his scientist work and lived his life doing just that, if he still beleieved in Nazi shit from 1946 onwards in the US he had the good sense to keep it to himself. Musk on the other hand is a different beast altogether.

1. He has decided to plant himself firmly in US politics and pick a side and is doing it right now, spending hundreds of millions in the midterm campaigns.
2. He was the unelected head of a quasi-illegal government agency that stripped funds from government programs and done things that has affected many peoples lives, directly.
3. He controls one of the most influential social media companies and has purposefully put his foot on the scales to push his own preferred ideology.

This is not to dismiss anything SpaceX has done, it is an amazing company staffed with hardworking and brilliant people who have done incredible things like this launch right here. Your concept here cuts both ways, SpaceX achievements are not enough to dismiss what Musk has done as a white-supremacist weirdo who has used his wealth and influence to make mine and many other peoples lives worse.

He made the choices to do the above things. If it's up to us to do the right thing what should we do about one of the most powerful men in history consistently doing the wrong things.

What government party was in power when that happened?

I agree MAGA and Reform and the Tories should not be allowed in Western countries! They are traitors and cannot be trusted with our borders!

I'm not arguing that Assad getting the boot wasn't a good thing for the region but there's no reason to think Iran's proxies won't be coming back after this conflict unless the regime actually falls which, is I would say is a long shot since no ground war. Houthies are rising, Hezbollah is hurting but they'll be back.

Ain't gonna happen unless the regime dies in the next 6 months of which there are little indicators. The economic cost is proving pretty high and there is no political or public support for effectively a forever war. This is called "no exit strategy" thanks for defining it.

Great but this is all trying to claw back to status quo and this could change rapidly as it has been up/down/up/down for 6 months now. What if Iran bombs more tanker and more pipelines? That's still a risk. This is "it's a mess but not as bad of a mess!". Still not good!

Great, but that;s my point, the region is unstable.

No reason to believe this though, Iran has been heavily sanctioned for years or decades, where has that gotten us? They are far more resilient than the other nations and they were able to brutally put down resistance just this year. This war isn't helping that! Maybe I'll be wrong

Yet you just pointed out ways Trump is screwing it up and no reason to believe he will come to his senses. These people are incompetent! You can bet on this admin but I have no reason to.

Also you have no guarantee whatever takes the regime over is better than the current one?

Then you didn't really understand how it was intended to work. The regime can say that, believe it, work towards it and all that was taken into account with the JCPOA. It's called getting what you can instead of pouting and taking the ball home and reducing your options. Good chance Iran comes out of this conflict better than when it started, Trump has to end it eventually. Also I will not be nice if you are using the word "Shillary" because I think you're lying.

That's my point thank you. If Iran wants to enrich for a weapon you can go back and say "sign the extension" or we are back to where we were in 2025, bomb the nuclear sites but now we have allies, we have justification, we have a moral war. All things we do not have now. It's not like they can keep it a secret, we know what they are doing!

Why did Gulf War 1990 go so well and yet Iraq went so badly? Because it was the world vs Iraq and not America alone. Justification for war, public support, international support, these things matter! Right now we lack all of those.

Once again, if regime change in Iran is what you want and have wanted you should be fucking livid at Trump because he is screwing the pooch, he never made the case to the public so it was a doomed operation from the start, America does not win wars when the American public is against it, especially as prices are rising week over week, diesel is hitting record numbers day over day, he's about to lose Congress (who he never got a fresh AMF because they know they don;t have a justification for war, again, fucked it up, at least W had the good sense to make something up!)

You can put your confidence on Trump, Hegseth, Witkoff, etc but these people don't have your interests in mind, only their own, your interests only count if they align with theirs and that is already breaking. Good luck though chief.

How do you know that?

I was also told Iran's military was destroyed, their missiles, their navy, their air force? Has the admin been lying to me? What are we doing? Why haven;t we destroyed those sites?

The fiction is just what you painted which while informed and maybe even insightful isn't actually true, it's a theory. You are betting on your crystal ball hinging in Iranian regime change which at this point is down to some type of internal populist overthrow which doesn't seem like it's happening. You can shout names at me all day long but right now, Sept 2026, the region is unstable. Pipelines are bombed, both straights are a mess, the Houthi are maybe taking over Yemen. What you call constructive chaos is the fiction, it doesn't exist, at least not yet. Regime change from the air has yet to be proven.

You don't hate Trump if you support this war because if you are a person who legitimately wants regime change in Iran Trump has been the one to screw it up royally, a completely blown opportunity, you should be fuming against this war because he is not the person to commit what actually needs to be done, he's leaving it to change with no plan. Hoping chaos becomes constructive on its own and that is a recipe for disaster.

Here's what you really should have wanted but will never, ever admit to because it would tell us you are actually informed and not just knowing a bunch of names. Hillary wins in 2016, stays in JCPOA, makes sure whatever provisions are in there even if more limited than we would like are still enforced to the letter, inspections are happening, intelligence still tracks what's they're doing, which Hillary would do because she's not a buffoon.

If Iran actually does violate the agreement, with actual proof and not handwave it like Trump does you can actually make a case with a coalition behind you, all the signatories can be shown the evidence and hold Iran to account and if it does come to military action maybe we actually have allies, a plan, a mission, an endgame. We could have had Gulf War 1990 instead we're getting Iraq 2003 but worse.

Thank you for exactly illustrating my point. You don't cite the actual facts on the ground, all you have is stories, maybes and what-ifs. Good story, but you're writing a fiction techno-thriller. The inconvenient reality yet again is there is no plan, that's what in yet again the real world we all live and not the one you've crafted in your head this military operation so far is a failure. Seriously when is the last statement about the status of the nuclear sites which this is all about?

That inconvenient thing called reality is your entire argument is undone by Trump himself, like we all remember this, it happened and nobody here is objecting to it's objectives. Can you admit the President and the entire admin were knowingly and purposefully lying about the success of that mission? If your answer doesn't start with a Yes or No then you should not be listened to about anything by anyone.

See the thing is that while you are crafting a compelling story it's just a story, it's fiction because the reality is pushing against all these things.

You are getting everything you want right now outside of a ground based invasion and it's going terribly, particularly if your goal is for Iran to stop pursuing nukes long term. Sure you pushed the timetable back some years but that's what JCPOA did too and didn't give us global instability while also leaving the rest of the world with less leverage over the regime.

Your problem is to get what you wanted you chose to elect the worst possible people to do it since only the most fucking retarded politician would ignore every bit of global analysis and do it anyway because you've created a political movement that is built around confident ignorance, you take pride is having no fucking idea about how anything works, just how you want it to work, like a child. Maybe I should thank you though, 2 years ago I never thought Texas, Iowa, Nebraska and Kansas would be Senate toss-ups.

But hey, I am sure the Cuban war will go better than this, certainly not a history of failed military actions there.

"I am your father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former roommate."

Oh you got me good! TDS amirite?!?!

And you're right. I don't hate Trump enough, I need to hate him and his cadre of fucktards more.

Understand the word "multivariate" challenge: impossible

The police force seem like the ones who take any attack on any of them as attack on all of them, they seem allergic to oversight and what they do get is done kicking and screaming, the entire culture got built around these concepts and that's a big root of the problem with today's police in my opinion, the culture is kinda rotten and that swallows up the good cops even when they are the majority. There's a reason we call them bad apples, that thing they do, it erodes trust.

The story of a cop, a shitty cop breaking rules is sure, whatever, it happens right but when you hear oh he broke the rules 3800 times over an entire year and did that to engage in pretty troubling antisocial behavior. It's either people knew and looked the other way or there's just no safeguards over there, everyone's asleep at the wheel. I think there are many reasonable reforms to be made in American policing today.

"No, your narrative simply cannot figure out what to do with me."

We're good here.

I have to believe that also, the time frames and numbers here are just too wild that this was just an oversight, this is sanctioned behaviour. Thousands of searches? a dozen every day? With no warrant or having to check oversight for a reason for that many searches?

I also have to assume every search request is probably charged as well so did the taxpayers pay for these creeps to stalk women all day?

I appreciate cops making their own case for defind-the-police, obviously they have too much free time and access to toys than they can be trusted with.